HPI: Savage Flux on the way? 8th scale electric savage [Archive]

rhylsadar

11.28.2008, 06:42 AM

january issue of the xrc magazins.

http://image2-0.rcuniverse.com/e1/forum/upfiles/236849/Yw68330.jpg

http://image2-6.rcuniverse.com/e1/forum/upfiles/236849/Av68506.jpg

source: thread in rcu (http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8185843/tm.htm)

probably a cc mmm esc like in the e firestorm flux.
8th scale makes me hope that the suspension etc is similar to the gp savage. so all aftermarkt parts would fit.

looking forward to more information.
hopefully a nice answer to the traxxas brushless offensive. lol

bye
rhylsadar

DRIFT_BUGGY

11.28.2008, 07:27 AM

Wouldn't be surprised since the Flux in the Firestorm is a Sidewinder/5700KV. Wouldn't mind seeing a shot with the body off

dirt101

11.28.2008, 09:16 AM

wow if I only had $650...I miss having a MT now that Im down to the CRT and my rusty.

BL_RV0

11.28.2008, 12:59 PM

Cool. I bet the layout is crap though, judging by most of these 1/8 factory conversions.

traxxasbasher13

11.28.2008, 06:06 PM

Yea I agree the layout will be crap. I just want to find out what the motor and esc are so I can use them in my conversion. I like the sound of 60+ mph!

Finnster

11.28.2008, 06:42 PM

Gee, that motor looks familiar... ;) Where's Arct1k at, I bet he knows something...

rhylsadar

11.28.2008, 07:38 PM

http://www.myvideo.de/watch/5536925/Hpi_Savage

bye
rhylsadar

Takedown

11.28.2008, 07:48 PM

Well weve all been anticipating the release of the new Savage 1/8 Flux Brushless MT and it sure does look promising.
A few pics to start "courtisy of deezyperformance from the RCU forums".
Pics came from a mag.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn70/TakedownRCU/savageflux.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn70/TakedownRCU/savagebrushless.jpg

Here it is guys. Finally a demo video showing its raw power.

http://www.myvideo.de/watch/5536925/Hpi_Savage

traxxasbasher13

11.28.2008, 07:54 PM

Wow is all I can say.

traxxasbasher13

11.28.2008, 07:58 PM

Now all we need is a pic with the body off.

BlackedOutREVO

11.28.2008, 08:15 PM

Dang!

I didnt see this!

Well anyhow. Looks SICK!

JThiessen

11.28.2008, 09:24 PM

'Bout damn time HPI got serious about this.

BitHed

11.28.2008, 11:37 PM

...well well well...now this wil certainly open things up...

...looks to be the X chassis as opposed to the E-Savage chassis...Which is intersting because over at E-Savage.com we are pretty much maxxing out our E-Savs ;)

DRIFT_BUGGY

11.28.2008, 11:52 PM

The video is taken off HPI Europe's site but no other info on there

BL_RV0

11.29.2008, 12:15 AM

Is it too much to ask for a body off shot?

DRIFT_BUGGY

11.29.2008, 12:42 AM

Still haven't seen any

pasan

11.29.2008, 01:22 AM

So now hobbyists will have a choice between the E-Revo BLE and this. 2009 is going to be a good year for brushless monster trucks.

DRIFT_BUGGY

11.29.2008, 02:18 AM

Im sure they will be plenty more brushless kits out in 2009

Mozzy

11.29.2008, 08:42 AM

The Firestorm is a sidewinder ESC. I've driven a Firestorm & all I have to say is, holy crap they are quick!!

1/2 throttle & zinga it's sliding down the road on it's roof backwards!

I heard that XRay are developing a 1/8 BL buggy.

Drove a BL E Revo the other day too, that was pretty quick. We've got a few guy's with BL 1/8 stuff down here now.

It's looking very promising for race days having our own BL class.

My CRT pulls wheelies very easily on 80% punch control. Going to drag it back to 100% for racing tomorrow.

rootar

11.29.2008, 09:24 AM

i think they are the first to advertise standing backflips, i hope theyre using the new xl drivetrain, because thats HARD on stuff, well we know they went with a dual battery setup because in its 60mph discailmer it says on 2x3s lipos.... im curoius to see some body off shots also

dirt101

11.29.2008, 09:28 AM

I hope they make it to where you can run 1 large lipo pack or run the 2 smaller 3s packs. Thats my main gripe about the e-revo.

superlightmaxx

11.29.2008, 10:33 AM

after carefully pausing the video when the truck does a backflip on the curb I was able to see a bit and pretty sure the are using a battery set-up similar to the e-savage, meaning sideways! but it's pretty hard to see so dont shoot me if this isn't correct! lol pause it at 43sec when the truck falls back down to the curb! :O)

traxxasbasher13

11.29.2008, 10:40 AM

Yea it kind of does look like it has battery trays on the sides.

BL_RV0

11.29.2008, 11:29 AM

If it didn't they wouldn't have the sides completely blacked out in the pic.

DRIFT_BUGGY

11.29.2008, 03:35 PM

Standing Backflips, that sounds like fun :sarcastic:

BL_RV0

11.29.2008, 03:47 PM

They get old quick, trust me.

superlightmaxx

11.29.2008, 08:19 PM

yeah just like my 8xl on 4s lipo was to much torque for my light e-maxx! always on 2 wheels! not very good and gets boring after a while! that`s why I like higher kv a bit and smaller motors! more control and easier on the drivetrain! lol

BitHed

11.30.2008, 12:40 AM

...I cant reallly see them using ANY of the E-Sav parts...Through and through GP Savvy i think...

Arct1k

11.30.2008, 06:05 PM

Sorry been away for 4 days - Yes these motors are very familiar ;)

They are CC 1515s with a different case design - You won't be disappointed... Not though that it makes them 48mm+ in diameter...

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/Arct1k/MMM/010.jpg

traxxasbasher13

11.30.2008, 11:54 PM

Is your mmm up-side-down? Maby I'm going crazy tho?

rootar

12.01.2008, 12:56 AM

i dont care how many times ive done it before but doing a standing stop complete back flip is awesome every time, always puts a grin on my face......if they used the xl drivetrain and 3 speed and had good battery trays i think theyll have a hell of a competitor for the erevo for burshless mt bashers.

drkdgglr

12.01.2008, 09:22 AM

http://www.hpieurope.com/kit-info.php?lang=en&partNo=100647

bl-is-future

12.01.2008, 09:28 AM

this looks very very interesting... hope it is based on the X and not the e-savage though.

drkdgglr

12.01.2008, 09:31 AM

The Savage Flux HP is based on the already awesome Savage X chassis

....

bl-is-future

12.01.2008, 09:31 AM

ooh just went to HPI Europe and it is going to be the X chassis oh boy this will level the playing field traxxas

traxxasbasher13

12.01.2008, 10:04 AM

I want one! I guess the layout isn't all crap though. The motor is inside the tvp's which is a plus.

lincpimp

12.01.2008, 10:13 AM

I like the single speed tranny with motor brakes. I may have to get that for my flm savvy... Sad to say that I have never even run that truck, and it must be at least 8 months old now...

Joram

12.01.2008, 12:15 PM

very nice, maybe if the motor/esc set-up is for sale, i will buy it instead of the MMM combo...

Greetz,
Joram

Joram

12.01.2008, 12:55 PM

btw, is it the same as the CC 2200Kv combo with the MMM v3:lol:

Just the same as the flux bl set...

Greetz,
Joram

tt-01 mamba

12.01.2008, 01:23 PM

yes it is the same but for some unknown reason as soon as everything gets HPI stamped on it the price goes up by $100

Joram

12.01.2008, 01:26 PM

yes, but we aren't stupid, CC 4 ever!!:yipi:

Greetz,
Joram

brushlessboy16

12.01.2008, 03:15 PM

Looks like they havent updated to the V3 MMM's the blur? thats a dumb name :D

http://av.hpieurope.com/graphics/kits/kitpages/100647/strip2/SavageFlux_009.jpg
http://av.hpieurope.com/graphics/kits/kitpages/100647/strip2/SavageFlux_018.jpg
http://www.hpieurope.com/graphics/kits/kitpages/100647/features/SavageFlux_017a.jpg
http://av.hpieurope.com/graphics/kits/kitpages/100647/features/SavageFlux_019.jpg

I do like those motor mounts. Looks like a nice truck

mkrusedc

12.01.2008, 04:09 PM

If you had a choice for bashing the BL E-Revo or this Savage? I have only run a REVO. Never drove a Savage....

MetalMan

12.01.2008, 04:17 PM

Looks like they havent updated to the V3 MMM's

That should be a MMM V3 - V1 had no plugs on the ESC, V2 had only plugs on the ESC, earlier V3s had all plugs on the ESC, and newer V3s should have wires on the battery side an plugs on the motor side.

If you had a choice for bashing the BL E-Revo or this Savage? I have only run a REVO. Never drove a Savage....

That's a tough one... If HPI had given this truck a proper longer chassis like it will NEED, then I would take this truck. In my experience the Savage just seems more of a beast, more authoritative.

brushlessboy16

12.01.2008, 04:27 PM

That should be a MMM V3 - V1 had no plugs on the ESC, V2 had only plugs on the ESC, earlier V3s had all plugs on the ESC, and newer V3s should have wires on the battery side an plugs on the motor side.

My new v3 came with all bullets:neutral:

A RC Dude

12.01.2008, 05:09 PM

looks to me like the speed and grip come from the tires. lol those things ballon like crazy! and thay look real flat and soft

BrianG

12.01.2008, 05:12 PM

My new v3 came with all bullets:neutral:

Maybe yours was a V3.1, and the newer ones were V3.2? :smile:

brushlessboy16

12.01.2008, 05:38 PM

looks to me like the speed and grip come from the tires. lol those things ballon like crazy! and thay look real flat and soft
They used Phatlines on the speed runs with a huge pinion on 6s.. gotta read the fine print:yes:
Maybe yours was a V3.1, and the newer ones were V3.2? :smile:

:neutral:

suicideneil

12.01.2008, 07:15 PM

I kinda like it, though its definately not as authoritive as my truck, har har har...

Only thing that would concern me is the rather small battery boxes- they look quite long and deep, but only wide enough for 5000mah 2s lipos really- Im sure some clever sods will come up with bigger ones though without much hassle. A longer aftermarket chassis shouldnt be too much trouble either, just a case of stretching the existing design and shifting mounting points as needed, a la FLM aftermarket chassis designs etc etc.

Nice truck, but Im happy with my one :yes:

brushlessboy16

12.01.2008, 07:27 PM

Who came up with the name, its cheezy... the Flux Blur

You would probably get more attention if you marketed it as the actual CC products.

MTBikerTim

12.01.2008, 07:36 PM

Personally I like the shorter chassis for bashing. Easier to to backflips and other tricks. I am interested to see what the configuration of the tranny is.

Woot I just realised there are no mechanical brakes it's a single speed woot.

TexasSP

12.01.2008, 09:47 PM

Who came up with the name, its cheezy... the Flux Blur

You would probably get more attention if you marketed it as the actual CC products.

You may be too young, but I get a kick out of the name Blur, like on the Little Rascals movie!

Then when they release a 10-12s version it can be called the Blur II, The Sequel.........

This truck does nothing but get me excited, oh what 2009 will behold us all. I am sure a Losi LST BL version will pop up as well.

Finnster

12.01.2008, 10:15 PM

GG TRX...

Now how easy would it be to take that tranny and put it my XL :)

Joram

12.02.2008, 02:22 AM

I'm gonna buy that tranny for mij FLM savage.
I think the FLM bl savage is still much better, but that's just my 2 cents:wink:

Greetz,
Joram

DRIFT_BUGGY

12.02.2008, 05:26 AM

Wonder how much more HPI will sell the Blur for over the MMM

suicideneil

12.02.2008, 12:16 PM

Im thinking it wont be sold seperately, as its an integral part of the truck- not the same as buying the MMM system and sticking it in any truck you please... (thats my theory anyway).

Joram

12.02.2008, 12:48 PM

what's that for stupid idea??

Offcourse it can be bought seperately, thinking of spare???
And it can be used un many other trucks, it's just the same as the Teckno motors...

Greetz,
Joram

DRIFT_BUGGY

12.02.2008, 03:15 PM

Im thinking it wont be sold seperately, as its an integral part of the truck- not the same as buying the MMM system and sticking it in any truck you please... (thats my theory anyway).

Why can you buy the Flux system on its own?
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXVUT9&P=7

suicideneil

12.02.2008, 03:36 PM

Finnster

12.02.2008, 04:04 PM

Curious. Given these are just re-badged castle systems, its kinda strange that HPI would sell them serperately- surely castle would make more money from selling their systems with their badges seperately and only allowing other companies to sell them as part of the whole rtr truck package? My main thought is that if the CC system is cheaper than the rebadged system, then HPI wont make too much from selling them seperately (especially after CC gets their slice so to speak)? If however the hpi version undercuts the CC version, then CC just shot themselves in the foot a tad...

I am well aware either HPI system can be used in any truck though Joram, but that wasnt my point- I was thinking about marketing rather than compatibility... :wink:

IDK, why does General Motors sell 4 versions of the same car?

I think for one is for people who want the OEM replacement for their truck if its damaged, or only casual knowledge of BL systems. This could be hobby shops as well that do customer repairs. Plus I think HPI (or TRX) would want their name on it for notoriety. I'm sure they are paying castle a decent amt of money for licensing of the system, as well as the name change. No matter what system is purchased, castle wins.

At the end of the day, big congrats to Castle for getting a solid and affordable 1/8th BL package out and getting the OEMs to license it. There have been other vendors around for a while sitting on their asses not getting this done. How long have we spent putting various pieces together to make these things ourselves? All other vendors had strengths, but no one had all the pieces together until castle. WTF Novak (and Tekin) has been doing all this time is beyond me. Now castle is going to clean up as these things start to take off.

Granted, the whole 1/8th market has benefited greatly from RCM Mike's work and our work here, basically doing free R&D on setups for a while now. Basically the market is copying what we've already figured out and proven to be reliable.

jhautz

12.02.2008, 04:04 PM

I like the simple motor mount. It looks like a couple bands that wrap around the 40mm motor and then are adjusted with then nitro motor mount slots. Simple.

suicideneil

12.02.2008, 04:59 PM

Granted, the whole 1/8th market has benefited greatly from RCM Mike's work and our work here, basically doing free R&D on setups for a while now. Basically the market is copying what we've already figured out and proven to be reliable.

Amen. I just wander how long it will be before someone releases a direct drive vehicle- we should patent more of our ideas... :yes::lol:

MTBikerTim

12.02.2008, 05:51 PM

IDK, why does General Motors sell 4 versions of the same car?

I think for one is for people who want the OEM replacement for their truck if its damaged, or only casual knowledge of BL systems. This could be hobby shops as well that do customer repairs. Plus I think HPI (or TRX) would want their name on it for notoriety. I'm sure they are paying castle a decent amt of money for licensing of the system, as well as the name change. No matter what system is purchased, castle wins.

At the end of the day, big congrats to Castle for getting a solid and affordable 1/8th BL package out and getting the OEMs to license it. There have been other vendors around for a while sitting on their asses not getting this done. How long have we spent putting various pieces together to make these things ourselves? All other vendors had strengths, but no one had all the pieces together until castle. WTF Novak (and Tekin) has been doing all this time is beyond me. Now castle is going to clean up as these things start to take off.

Granted, the whole 1/8th market has benefited greatly from RCM Mike's work and our work here, basically doing free R&D on setups for a while now. Basically the market is copying what we've already figured out and proven to be reliable.

It is also for distribution reasons. You can get HPI parts in a lot more places then you can Castle parts. Castle will not care if HPI sell them seperately as Castle is still selling the escs. I also Congratulate castle for their OEM deals.

Takedown

12.02.2008, 09:32 PM

Now on HPI's site- http://www.hpiracing.com/kitinfo/100646/

Gdot

12.02.2008, 10:13 PM

http://www.rcplanet.com/HPI_Savage_Flux_Brushless_HP_RTR_Truck_p/hpi100646.htm

Nautilus

12.03.2008, 12:46 AM

This thing looks *way* better built than the E-Revo or an E-maxx. I have a 3905 E-maxx and frankly I was disappointed at how flimsy it feels, especially the chassis. The plastic used in the suspension is incredibly soft too (yes I understand the need for some flex in a basher, but it's just too much). It is way too easy to strip out. And the shocks, well frankly they were the first thing I pulled off. Don't get me wrong, the 3905 E-maxx is a fine basher, but this Savage just looks so much more serious.

When I got the E-maxx I was expecting to get something as hefty and well-machined as my nitro Revo (which I have hardly run because of my impatience with nitro), but I was definitely disappointed. The E-maxx performs fine, but when you shell out that much money you should get something that has the high quality, machined feel to it IMO, not some piece of molded plastic. It makes it more enjoyable and easier to work on as well, IMO.

Anyway, wish I had waited on my brushless MT.

Rnemhrd

12.03.2008, 08:44 PM

JThiessen

12.03.2008, 09:26 PM

I have to much in my E maxx now to get rid of it now, but if this truck is anything like the savage x that would make it as strong as a well modded E maxx, and twice as fast. Way better deal IMO. They beat the s__t out of it in the video. Ever see traxxas do that? A true blue basher.

Actually, yes - every weekend with my converted Revo, as I'm sure many others will attest to. The video really wasnt anything special. I'm not trying to downplay the durability of this HPI, just sticking up for our most popular brand a little.

Finnster

12.03.2008, 10:50 PM

IDK, I hated my emaxx. Unreliable moneypit and always broke. Nearly quit RC over it.

Revo was much better, but difficult to work on in a lot of little ways, and a bit of a money pit too. Taking out the diffs is like brain surgery compared to other 1/8ths, plus they are far weaker and harder to tune w/ oil (as it needs to be so heavy due to silly design.) I really don't like the suspension setup anymore. Rocker posts bend easy, as can pushrods, and shocks are hard to get just right for our heavy electrics.The shocks just seem a bit undersized. A single large shock on a tower is so much simpler and tougher imo.

So far I am highly impressed w/ my Savvy. Extremely tough and far easier to work on than I ever thought. Its had lots of updates over the years, but its a pretty solid truck. Diffs are easy to get to, tranny can be serviced easy. So far nothing has been difficult to do and has lived through some tough driving w/o complaint.

Not trying to make it a Trx vs HPI thing, but in my experience I would highly recommend a Sav over a Revo for a basher, and a nearly any truggy over a Revo for racing. Revo seems a bit of a jack of all trades, master of none sort of truck. Granted I ran mine over two years and enjoyed it, but there are better trucks. I would have gotten rid of it but now I'm contemplating redoing it into a slayer. Seems like a good retirement for it.

joeling

12.04.2008, 03:24 AM

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rhylsadar

12.04.2008, 04:04 AM

hmm dude there was a link on page 3 that showed us all those pics. :sleep:

i would like to see a pic of the opened tranny.

bye
rhylsadar

Nautilus

12.04.2008, 10:39 AM

anyone concerned about the lack of airflow over the motor?

bl-is-future

12.04.2008, 10:57 AM

anyone concerned about the lack of airflow over the motor?

nope with the combo and the lightness of the truck it shouldnt have a problem at all. I ran the combo in my FLM 15+ pound savy with not heat problems what so ever.

bruce750i

12.04.2008, 01:02 PM

Looks like the battery bays can be removed and replaced with bigger ones, maybe an upgrade package or something.

wayneb

12.05.2008, 12:40 AM

when is the release date going to be does anybody know?

drkdgglr

12.05.2008, 05:46 AM

when is the release date going to be does anybody know?

january 19th according to amain: http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/products_id/32813

bl-is-future

12.05.2008, 08:33 AM

i will def be getting one in jan then. See how it compares to my old FLM Savy conversion.

Rnemhrd

12.05.2008, 08:38 AM

Actually, yes - every weekend with my converted Revo, as I'm sure many others will attest to. The video really wasnt anything special. I'm not trying to downplay the durability of this HPI, just sticking up for our most popular brand a little.

I was refering to traxxas PR videos. Has traxxas ever put out a video where they (traxxas) beat a truck like that? If so please show it, I would like to see it.Also is your revo stock with no rpm parts added? Some nice jumps in the snow, and a tame jump down some stairs is about it.

bl-is-future

12.05.2008, 08:44 AM

Not to offend anyone but i will give my taxxas experiance.
Owned the below and my opinion -
Jato 3.3 = junk (only good on flat surface)
T-maxx/E-maxx = decent but dont beat on to hard
Slash = total beast and love it.
4tec = sick, just sick

So i am 2 for 2 with traxxas. I here the revo is the best of the bunch but i have also heard the savage is tougher. It is all on what you want i guess. The savage has always fit my needs as a basher and a racer for that matter. OH and the video is not lying you can do that to a savage and it will just come back for more. that is stock too.

Arct1k

12.05.2008, 09:03 AM

Actually they did do a huge 60ft backflip jump over a set of railway tracks - the first time they didn't even land it...

Video isn't on the site anymore but they did do it...

I was refering to traxxas PR videos. Has traxxas ever put out a video where they (traxxas) beat a truck like that? If so please show it, I would like to see it.Also is your revo stock with no rpm parts added? Some nice jumps in the snow, and a tame jump down some stairs is about it.

bl-is-future

12.05.2008, 09:20 AM

Yep it was with a revo. was a huge jump. that is pretty sick IMO. I like CERTAIN traxxas products. i just make sure i get a ton of feed back form others before i buy. I do the same with HPI to cause though the savage series is nice the others are not so great.
Actually they did do a huge 60ft backflip jump over a set of railway tracks - the first time they didn't even land it...

Video isn't on the site anymore but they did do it...

Rnemhrd

12.05.2008, 09:54 AM

My bad then.:neutral: I never saw it. Sorry. Put the cc mmm combo in a E Maxx and do 3 or 4 60' jumps and tell me what you have left. Broken shock towwers, bulkheads, control arms, and maybe a chassis. Ask anyone that has owned a E Maxx. Apples to apples.The revo chassis really has nothing in common with any other MT does it? It's like compairing a E Revo to an E 8ight T. Both have big tires. That is about it.

TexasSP

12.05.2008, 01:52 PM

The revo is still an MT and should be compared with other MT's.

I like the savages I just thought when I drove them they handled like a brick. The e-savage to me was a joke because it really wasn't the size of the other monster trucks. The maxx is probably not as durable as the standard savage but it does have other good points and is still the platform that started the whole monster truck revolution.

bl-is-future

12.05.2008, 02:09 PM

yep i totally agree. Both companies have made name for themselves that is for sure. And Traxxas started it all. I just search and find what is best and go with that. Brand doesn't matter to me. Only the reviews/opinions of others on the particular vehicle.
The revo is still an MT and should be compared with other MT's.

I like the savages I just thought when I drove them they handled like a brick. The e-savage to me was a joke because it really wasn't the size of the other monster trucks. The maxx is probably not as durable as the standard savage but it does have other good points and is still the platform that started the whole monster truck revolution.

BitHed

12.06.2008, 10:06 AM

...be aware that motors with built-in heatsink cases will not be able to be used because the heatsink will get in the way of the motor clamps...So we are stuck with smooth cased motors...

TexasSP

12.06.2008, 10:45 AM

yep i totally agree. Both companies have made name for themselves that is for sure. And Traxxas started it all. I just search and find what is best and go with that. Brand doesn't matter to me. Only the reviews/opinions of others on the particular vehicle.

Yup, both have there strengths and weaknesses. I just hate when I see people saying such and such truck is garbage and this other truck is vastly superior. None of the MT's I have seen on the market are vastly superior to any other.

JThiessen

12.06.2008, 12:27 PM

Yup, both have there strengths and weaknesses. I just hate when I see people saying IMT's I have seen on the market are vastly superior to any other.

Ah was fixin to say -well said - ya'll!

revo guy

12.06.2008, 10:30 PM

Actually they did do a huge 60ft backflip jump over a set of railway tracks - the first time they didn't even land it...

Video isn't on the site anymore but they did do it...

you just need to know where to look :rules::lol:

link (http://www.traxxas.com/products/nitro/revo/revo25/trx_revo_video.htm)

Nuclear

12.07.2008, 09:41 PM

BTallack

12.08.2008, 03:36 PM

in terms of size and dimensions, is the FLUX the same size as the Savage XL? the bigger MT?

I'm not too familiar with MT's yet, but which will be more durable, the E-Revo or this new FLUX?

i already know that the E-Revo will out handle this HPI, I'm more for bashing....

The Savage Flux HP is the same size as the Savage X. (It's based on the same platform)

As for durability, I do own an E-Revo and in stock form it wasn't perfectly durable. I broke a few tie rods and two a-arms. Then I upgraded to RPM (Tru-Track in the back, A-Arms in the front) and I haven't broken a thing since. Even with a MMM/Neu combo in it.

That said, I think the Savage will be a little more durable stock than the stock E-Revo, but with either one I'd recommend upgrading to RPM A-Arms for maximum durability.

And I agree on the handling thing. The E-Revo is by far the best handling MT I've ever driven, especially with some tweaks (Different Springs and sway bars) but the Savage is without question a phenomenal bashing machine. I plan to get a Savage Flux HP for bashing and tune my E-Revo solely for racing.

saydee1800

12.08.2008, 04:23 PM

I have a FLM Savage E Brushless E-Revo and a Brushless E-Maxx
Novak 6.5 E-Revo handles like a vette jumps and Bashes great (only upgrade is True track)
Novak E-Maxx you need to upgrade the hole truck
MMM FLM Savage Great Truck (Just to Heavy!!!) part can't seam to handle to Power

JThiessen

12.13.2008, 08:55 AM

Well, I placed my order for this on Tower last night. It'll be around 580 shipped. Hope this isnt going to be a long drug out release.

TexasSP

12.13.2008, 11:05 AM

Will look forward to reviews. I am sure you won't be disappointed though.

BlackedOutREVO

12.13.2008, 06:26 PM

I think for Xmas I will be building a savage. Im going to go with the FLM kit. I like the lay out better

Still, I will be waiting for the reviews!

BitHed

12.14.2008, 08:58 AM

...Im going to go with the FLM kit. I like the lay out better...

..Have to agree with that...Lets just hope we can fit the Flux center unit into it :oops: Looks ok though...

Finnster

01.08.2009, 03:08 PM

Big Squid has a review (http://www.bigsquidrc.com/rc-reviews/hpi-savage-flux-hp-review-rc-monster-truck/)up of the Flux with more pix (http://www.bigsquidrc.com/hpi-racing-savage-flux-hp-unboxing-pictures/)and some video.

The batt trays do look pretty good. Nice thing to see is that it looks like the tranny would be a direct swap. Hard to tell for sure, but looks just like the nitro tranny pattern. Would make nitro conversions a real snap I would think. I have a nitro XL, but if I get tired of it, swapping it over should be a piece of cake.

Janezki

01.10.2009, 06:49 PM

Seems the battery trays differ in pictures at the HPI site. In some pictures the sides are closed and in some they have holes.
Here's a pic with no holes (http://www.hpieurope.com/graphics/kits/kitpages/100647/strip2/SavageFlux_017.jpg) and here with holes (http://www.hpieurope.com/graphics/kits/kitpages/100647/strip/_MG_0368.jpg).

The BigSquid Savage seems to have these holes too, so I presume the production model comes with those. Whether it's good or bad remains to be seen.

There's a picture of an opened Flux tranny at RC Universe, here (http://image2-4.rcuniverse.com/e1/forum/upfiles/324339/Wu61634.jpg).
I'm 100% positive that the transmission is straight fit to nitro models, but it's interesting to see that HPI has gone the easy way and kept the 2nd gear "pinion" at the input shaft (which is useless).
To my eye there's only one new gear at the tranny, all the other gears look like they're straight from the 2spd.
This ofcourse is proofed only when we can get hold of the exploded views & part numbers, so don't put your money on the line just because I'm telling so... :intello:

Now the diffs - the bevel & pinion gears do have their own HPI part number which differs from all the other Savage ones, including the XL's. Flux's gear number is #102246 and XL's #86248 according to the HPI-Europe's Savage line-up (http://www.hpieurope.com/savagelineup.php?lang=en) (scroll down the page to comparison chart).
This obviously tells that the gears are (or atleast should) be stronger than in the XL.

suicideneil

01.10.2009, 08:50 PM

Interesting for sure. On the diff part# issue, it could also be that they are a different ratio, rather than just hardend (I know traxxas uses an 'x' next to beefed up versions of stock parts often, not sure if HPI do the same).

Savage03

01.10.2009, 10:41 PM

Maybe someone should shoot HPI a email and see what they say :lol:

Electric Eel

01.12.2009, 01:05 PM

Check out this link:
http://www.hpiracing.co.jp/contents/dm/newproducts.pdf

It has a different part number and a "new" designation for the gearbox/bulkheads. A friend translated it for me and basically it says that they have been redesigned and reinforced to prevent the ring and pinion from losing mesh under high, sudden torque.

Electric Eel

01.12.2009, 02:31 PM

Just received a reply to my e-mail to HPI. Looks like the diff bearings are larger as well.

"Thank you for contacting HPI Racing and Hot Bodies customer service. It looks like we did change the bearing size on the new Savage Flux and we also changed the material on the diff as well to make them stronger. We also have changed the diff bulk head so all around the diffs are upgraded.

Michael | Customer Service
(:: PH 949.753.1099 x505/ FX. 949.753.1098

Toll Free: 1-888-349-4474
70 Icon, Foothill Ranch, CA, USA 92610"

Savage03

01.12.2009, 02:41 PM

Very interesting, good job. Wonder if these new parts will bolt into a savage....

Savage-Flux

07.21.2009, 03:06 PM

i have a savage flux and it is AWESOME! i havent broken a thing, and it has lasted 2 months! (approx). i even won some races!

revo guy

07.21.2009, 04:05 PM

Savage-Flux

07.21.2009, 06:39 PM

Savage-Flux, I dont think that a 2nd place trophy counts if it was just you and me in the main lol (every one else broke)

and you snapped your battery boxes, Remember?

EDIT: and way to bring up a thread from January just to say a dumb comment

atleast im not using the cheap china batteries called zippys and are NOT under warranty for the MMM or the BLUR ESC and atleast i can get to top speed without breaking 2 of my driveshafts before your Crating fluctuates. and i didnt take out a recycling box with my revo XD. and btw i have that on film. LOL.

revo guy

07.21.2009, 07:16 PM

First of all ALOT of people on here use zippy batteries.
Second you have never been able to get to top speed, you didnt want to put the gps on your savage because you know you would crash
Third the reason that low quality batteries can cause the MMM to fail is nothing to do with the C Rating Fluctuating. It is because of Ripple Current created during brakeing.
And lastly I dont think that you can control a truck going almost 70mph 1/2 as good as I

lincpimp

07.21.2009, 08:06 PM

You both sound like some whiners to me...

How about some data to back up your half assed claims?

What is the deal with most flux owners? Is it just me or do the large majority seem to be noobs? I know some of the "good ole boys" here have flux savvys but they just do not seem to be having the problems that others are...

brushlessboy16

07.21.2009, 08:20 PM

lincpimp

07.21.2009, 08:56 PM

You read my mind james :neutral:

since they seem to know all the answers why do there esc's keep failing..:oh:

I think it has something to do with the vast reserves of previous experience with large scale brushless that they all have...

brushlessboy16

07.21.2009, 09:12 PM

thats why I see so many of there posts here isnt it?

lincpimp

07.21.2009, 10:50 PM

I think the staggering electric knowledge base over at the HPI forums may be the root.

brushlessboy16

07.21.2009, 11:22 PM

I think the staggering electric knowledge base over at the HPI forums may be the root.

You know what they are starting to remind me of?

*cough traxxas*

JThiessen

07.21.2009, 11:43 PM

What is the deal with most flux owners? Is it just me or do the large majority seem to be noobs? I know some of the "good ole boys" here have flux savvys but they just do not seem to be having the problems that others are...

Yeah, they are making me nervous - I'm gonna send HPI an email and ask them what they are going to do about it!:lol:

Savage-Flux

07.22.2009, 12:40 AM

fastbaja5b

07.22.2009, 12:42 AM

revo guy

07.22.2009, 12:45 AM

They are more talking about noobs like "Savage-Flux" that get sold 3400mah 18c 3s batteries from the LHS. Thats only 61.2 amps!

fastbaja5b

07.22.2009, 01:25 AM

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc202/fastbaja5b/images.jpg

Is all that is!

Savage-Flux

07.22.2009, 02:16 AM

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc202/fastbaja5b/images.jpg

Is all that is!

no you are wrong. i have used theese batteries for 2 months now and are perfectly fine.

Savage-Flux

07.22.2009, 02:19 AM

They are more talking about noobs like "Savage-Flux" that get sold 3400mah 18c 3s batteries from the LHS. Thats only 61.2 amps!

nerd, and im no noob. and stop fighting on the internet, its childish..........:rules::no: anyway off to ignoring you, time to move on.

fastbaja5b

07.22.2009, 03:41 AM

nerd, and im no noob. and stop fighting on the internet, its childish..........:rules::no: anyway off to ignoring you, time to move on.

Considering you're such a know it all, maybe you should run for president, your talents are clearly wasted on us mere mortals.

revo guy

07.22.2009, 12:49 PM

:lol: :na:

Savage-Flux

07.22.2009, 02:26 PM

Considering you're such a know it all, maybe you should run for president, your talents are clearly wasted on us mere mortals.

when did i say i knew it all?

Gdot

07.23.2009, 10:28 AM

riverat1540

07.23.2009, 11:30 AM

Wow, rtr Brushless= folks that know it all as if they built and designed it themselves

fastbaja5b

07.23.2009, 09:44 PM

feels like love here.

hey wait a minute.. I'm running for president, not you

and yes, I think tons of newbies buy fluxes and are sold donkey for support equipment. seen it a bunch of times locally and on the net. great truck, but battery hungry. my experience anyway.

I think that might be why I am having less issues with my Flux than a lot of other users, I'd run large scale brushless previously (Converted E-Savage, converted Revo, converted Jammin X1CR) so I knew what to look for and didn't expect it to be bullet proof from day one.

It is not a truck for noobs!

Gdot

07.24.2009, 12:29 PM

It is not a truck for noobs!

they should have that note on the box. I have a bunch of previous rc experience also, and this thing is a handful on a good day.. and hope the newbies know how to change trans gears and pinions (we all have to some time...)

Savage-Flux

07.24.2009, 01:01 PM

you must be hard as heck on your truck if you break a pinion and and tranny gears.

suicideneil

07.25.2009, 04:43 PM

Not at all, the FLUX tranny gears are known to wear down very quickly, even with moderate use- stripping pinions and spurs is par for the course too. I believe HPI have introduced hardend tranny gears now to address the problem, but the diffs can still wear out quickly, so people have been swapping them with the nitro equivelants which are more robust.

But ofcourse, only a noob wouldnt be aware of these things, right?... :mdr:

BL_RV0

07.25.2009, 04:45 PM

:na:

Savage-Flux

07.25.2009, 10:07 PM

i never said that a noob edrives a savge i said that not all savage owners are noobs. and yes i am aware of the problem, and i have had nothing go wrong with my flux, except when i forgot i turned down the brakes, and i crashed into a curb on the side of my truck, breaking the battery case. but thats about it. XD

fastbaja5b

07.25.2009, 10:48 PM

Haven't had issues with the diff gears in mine, but yes the top 18/23 gear in the transmision is soft, as are the stock pinion gears. The Spur is fine however. I replaced the stock pinion with a Robinson Racing Hardened Steel Mod 1 and it's quieter and doesn't seem to show any signs of wear after 40+ runs. The top transmission gear now has a hardened steel "hop up" but I still have 4 standards to get through (I bought 10 at a time ok?)

JThiessen

07.26.2009, 01:27 PM

but the diffs can still wear out quickly, so people have been swapping them with the nitro equivelants which are more robust.

But ofcourse, only a noob wouldnt be aware of these things, right?... :mdr:

The flux diff's are the upgraded 4-bevel gear set already - so they already come with better diffs than the nitro versions. Part #86032 is the gear set, but you can upgrade the case to aluminum #86827.

Duster_360

07.26.2009, 06:06 PM

Got about 25 runs on mine and are waiting on a screw kit to show up to do some heavy maintenance. I've bought spares as well and the diffs are def upgraded - HPI reduced the brg boss the brg goes onto on the ring gear to allow running the bigger 8x16x5 brgs vs the 10x16x5 brgs that failed all too often on my 4.6SS. I replaced those everytime I got near them.

I have the hardened 18/23 upgrade and it'll go in so I can put the ordinary one back in my 4.6SS and run it again. These were in short supply when it became obvious that these were going to be a wear item.

Want to turn my batt boxes around so the lids open away from the chassis so I can use the Neuenergy 3S car size pacs lipos. The lids don't open far enough to get these thick lipos inserted, 2S lipos have no probs. I've been real pleased with mine so far, been loads of fun.

danhfvcsd

07.27.2009, 12:00 AM

The lids don't open far enough to get these thick lipos inserted, 2S lipos have no probs.

Can you cut off the 2 'tabs' on the top lid of the battery boxes to get them in there maybe? You could just use velcro straps to keep them securely closed =)
I have some 9000mah SPC 2S packs that are a decently tight fit on the sides, and they JUST scrape past the 2 'tabs' on the lid of the battery box with a tiny bit of muscle =)

The only problems i have found with my flux is the bloody rod ends on the turnbuckles - mine had flexed and stretched on only the first day of use on only small bad landings, which left me with quite a short day... have since replaced em with lunsford alternatives which are holding up well.

That, and it's too short... i can barely keep the front wheels on the ground on only 4S with a MMM/Neu 1515 1.5d/F... Will be going for the extended flm chassis on this eventually - it's uncontrollable... I get rolling backflips with big joes on... It's fun for a short while, but gets old pretty quick. (yes - i have toned down the esc settings)

other than that, i've had no probs =)

Nard Cox

07.27.2009, 03:06 PM

Just switch the boxes and then put on some velcro, that was the first thing I've done on my FLux :whistle:

I've had about 15 runs or so on my Flux and have broken 1 front arm (not really broken but it's not 100% anymore), my TVP is starting to bent above the motor and yesterday I lost my steering, the Z282 (https://www.toysonics.com/hpi-z282-step-screw-m3x14mm-nitro-rs4-mt-4.html) left the car :(.

All and all, I LOVE this monster. I run it on 2 * 2S Turnigy 5000mAh 20C. I know it's not enough power (100A) but I check the voltages on the packs and measure the heat and they keep cool; so far so good.