When for monster maxx?

[coolhandcountry]

Does any one heard anything on the monster maxx system?
I was wondering if any updates of any kind.
I am anixous to see another system on the market for the mt guys.

[glassdoctor]

As of a couple weeks ago they didn't even have any units in house to test with... only have made like two of them and they weren't even being tested.

They don't even know when beta testing will begin.

But Shawn says the controller is good to go when it's time, and it won't be a problem... the holdup is the motors. They are still working on motor design.

And they haven't decided yet on some of the final specs like max voltage. High voltage (very high voltage) parts cost more they say so it isn't a no brainer for them to do that, but it's a possibility.

I would say don't expect anything before the end of the year at least. Just a guess.

[crazyjr]

I know they have at least one they're playing with, this a quote from John Ford from Castle
crazyjr...the Monster Max is still in development...you should SEE what this thing can do. Standing 360 backflip with a stock Emaxx!!! It got our 14lb aluminumized Emaxx up to about 50mph...no radar gun, but rest assured...I'm getting in front of those things with the radar gun just as eagerly as I did with the Max

[Serum]

Castle creation ROCKs. if they enlarge their product-range and use segmented magnets, you don't need another company for your BL setups..

I hope they get a lower KV as with the mamba-maxx and don't look at the novaks too much with their 4200rpm/v..

[nl12]

I would love to see a high voltage version 12s Lipo, 200 Amp with big heat sinks, built in fans, 5.5mm connectors, on-off switch, high rpm limit, good software, usb port.... I would pay 400-500 for something like that with a good waranty and fast service.

[Serum]

useless, but nice.

4-5S is more than enough for on the track, unless you are planning on racing the salt-lakes with a satalite rc-connection..

I don't thing that price is fair though. You know what you payed for your mgm and 2240.

[glassdoctor]

Shawn said they had a couple but he didn't even know where they were the day I talked to him. Hmmmm probably in his top desk drawer ;)

[MetalMan]

This is good info! Just can't wait for the beta testing :p.

[coolhandcountry]

A system that can do 6s is fine for me. Built in lvc to. Some thing with like a xl motor would work.

[captain harlock]

You think they can make it as powerful as the MGM 16024 esc?

There's a possibility, right?

[Serum]

Yes, that sounds plausible.

[crazyjr]

If they use the HV series as a platform, anything is possible. I hear they can hold 50v

[coolhandcountry]

Maybe they could build one for like 6s and the other closer to the air plane model they have out.

[squeeforever]

If they could do 80+ amps cont. (all I need for any of my motors), 6S LiPo, LVC, and 4 poler compatible, I would buy it in a heartbeat.

[BrianG]

Whatever its ratings, it's going to have a hard time to seriously outdo the Mamba Max. Since the MM can do 100A @ 4s, I'd imagine the Monster Max would have to be at least 120-150A @ 5s or 6s to make it a discernable difference.

[captain harlock]

Worry not, Brian. I'm sure they'll do it the right way.

[glassdoctor]

The Monster will be a 200A unit... plan is to double up on the fets.

The max voltage is undecided at this point.... the HV stuff costs them a lot more to build so I don't think it will be crazy like 10s+ but I think they will at least build it to do 6s...

[MetalMan]

Where did you hear/see the 200amps figure?

[captain harlock]

I believe you've been in constant contact with Castle Creations lately. Right, Doc?

[glassdoctor]

I have talked to Shawn a few times in the last month or so... they are understandably tight lipped about it and nothing is etched in stone, but it's pretty clear that they intend to double the specs of the Mamba Max. Take all such info as speculation... and blame me if it ends up different, not them.

They said the same thing at least a year ago...
1. create a 1/10 mamba
2. double stack the hardware and make a monster version

I think this is accurate info although I don't have any inside top secret clearance at CC :017:

And I don't think I am spilling the beans or anything.... just some general goals they have expressed for their product

Bottom line is the Monster will be a killer speedo.... IMO it will make the current Quark,MGM,BK etc look like barf... :020: :027:

[coolhandcountry]

Well if you double the mamba maxx. It would work out very well.
200 amp and 6s run. I can live with that.

[squeeforever]

Especially if its cheaper than the Quark...Don't get me wrong, I like the Quarks, but there not computer programmable...BIG advantage there for CC. Not to mention the issues with 6S LiPo. I think the CC MMM will be will worth it no matter what, and if its less than $250 I will certainly get one ASAP. Maybe I can beta test one with the BPP LSP on 6S :D.

[captain harlock]

I guess we have to wait and see.

[Electric Dave]

As much fun* as it is to piece a brushless system together, I can't wait for Castle to roll out the definitive E-MT brushless system. I know the Mamba Max took a while but in the end it's head and shoulders above the rest. I have high hopes the Monster Max will do the same for the E-MT class. I also hope they roll out a series of motors with it like they have with the 1/10th system. We don't all race (or bash or drag or whatever you do) so one product for everyone is a little too ambitious. Several to fill different needs would be great.

[nl12]

If it is a 8s or higher controler I will buy one.

[captain harlock]

I have some things I think I have to say it- in clarification to Doc's info-

The Mamba M Max is supposed to be two times the power and capability of the Mamba Max. This means the controller will be capable of:

200Amp cont.
6s lipos/ 18 sub c cells with the built in bec
4 or probably 6 big capacitors
8s lipo cells without bec and 24 sub c cells without bec
Price will be somewhere between $200-230

It's very possible.

[BrianG]

That would indeed be sweet! Although, I'd use a stand-alone BEC for anything over 3s lipo, unless CC plans on building a digital regulator instead of the typical linear one.

As more companies enter the BL market, competition will drive prices down, features up, and capabilities up. Gotta love it!

[crazyjr]

I have some things I think I have to say it- in clarification to Doc's info-

The Mamba M Max is supposed to be two times the power and capability of the Mamba Max. This means the controller will be capable of:

200Amp cont.
6s lipos/ 18 sub c cells with the built in bec
4 or probably 6 big capacitors
8s lipo cells without bec and 24 sub c cells without bec
Price will be somewhere between $200-230

It's very possible.
If they could do that and programmable like the mamba max and keep in to around 350 for the combo, I'll be first in line. I have a mamba max and am so impressed i'd buy one sight unseen

[captain harlock]

I hope they would, but even so, I have the Schulze 149.18 which I need to blow it up first and then go for a Mamba M Maxx.

[BitHed]

...the last word I heard is that they were away in the wilderness somewhere testing the Mon Max on 1:8 buggies at a secret track...Still no beta testing though...

[Serum]

Welcome to the forum BitHed.

I guess they went over to see CoolhandCountry LOL..

[BitHed]

Thanks :) Happy to be here ! I just had the MabMax / Feigao 9L E-Savage down at the park spitting dirt :)

BTW i read a while back that the Monster motor sizes were 1800 and 2200?


Replied to by PSP...

[Serum]

I don't know what KV they are going to use. I hope they are low. and not 'castle creation style sky high'

[BP-Revo]

Well, I hope they have a wide range, including one high one. I like high revving stuff.

[coolhandcountry]

Welcome to the forum BitHed.

I guess they went over to see CoolhandCountry LOL..

You didn't supposed to tell rene.

Cool!!

Now if I just stay in the RC thing long enough to test it.

[Serum]

You funny Leroy...

[captain harlock]

Leroy, you'll be leaving this hobby? or are you just kidding?

[Serum]

Don't know if he is kidding about the time it's launched or if he is quiting.?

[captain harlock]

Haven't you noticed that his posting rate is not as hot as it used to be in the past?
This might tell something.
I'm also thinking about quitting, but not anytime soon, though.

[coolhandcountry]

I don't think I am going to quit captain. I haven't been around the forum as much. I have thinned my rc collection pretty good. I have some other things to sell off as well. Just been busy with other things. I haven't drove rc in over 2 weeks now.
I figured I let rene have the lead. ;)

[squeeforever]

What about me?? :frown: I try to keep up but...

[captain harlock]

That's good to here, man. Eversince you've been on board, the forum became much more active. Wish you good luck, my friend.
And you as well, Squee. lol!

[squeeforever]

Harr harr...

[coolhandcountry]

What about me?? :frown: I try to keep up but...
At the rate I going. You pass me squee. :005:
Thanks captain.

Any word on the mamba monster yet? :032:

[squeeforever]

I wouldn't hold my breath for the MMM...

[crazyjr]

I'm not, just tested my mamba 9XL on 12 cells and on a full charge its impressive. I will get the Mamba monster when it comes out, but till then i'll play with what i got. If they do what they did with the mamba max, it will turn the brushless world upside down. If they truly double up, it will take 10s lipo max (going by what Jhautz said in another thread)

[coolhandcountry]

10s lipo would be the stuff. I would dance in the street. :D

[BitHed]

...its going to be a beast whatever they turn out...It will be interesting to see what can length they go with...A Feigao XL is 74mm so i wonder if the MonMax will be more or less than that...

[squeeforever]

One of the reps said it was probably gonna be XL size.

[BitHed]

...10-4 Squee...Do we have any idea of KV yet?

[squeeforever]

Nope. None to my knowledge...

[BrianG]

I would expect them to offer a few motors with different KV ratings. Of course, the KV ratings of their motors will be somewhat dependent on the max voltage rating of the ESC. If the ESC is rated for 10s, something along the lines of 1000, 1500, 2000, and 2500 kv, judging from past CC bundles.

[crazyjr]

I was actually thinking about 6s warranted, with 4s in the pocket to push

Kind of like the mamba max, 3s warranted and 2s in the pocket to push

[captain harlock]

Same thinking here, Crazyjr.
The M.Max can handle up to 5s and its very possible that the MonsterMax will handle over 8s easily.
The people at CC once told me that they're designing the controller to handle something above 21~25V, that's the nominal performance, if you ask me, but I think if they're gonna follow the same procedure of the Mamba Max with the Monster Max, then the possibility is incredibly high that it will handle 10s lipos.

[crazyjr]

Same thinking here, Crazyjr.
The M.Max can handle up to 5s and its very possible that the MonsterMax will handle over 8s easily.
The people at CC once told me that they're designing the controller to handle something above 21~25V, that's the nominal performance, if you ask me, but I think if they're gonna follow the same procedure of the Mamba Max with the Monster Max, then the possibility is incredibly high that it will handle 10s lipos.
Thats my thoughts, even if it falls short of the true double, it will be the best out there

[Sower]

Any of you guys have any more news on this? I keep waiting for a release date, but nothing's happening. Do they even have a target for the near future?

[BrianG]

Speculation says that it won't be here until spring at the earliest...

[Sower]

Wow, that's horrible. I've been waiting and waiting to do my setup based on this. I'm sure I'm not alone though. I would have thought they would have it on the market early spring for the racing season.

[crazyjr]

The last i heard (and that was in Jhautz thread about the 5s on mamba max) it wouldn't be ready till summer. If it lives up to the Hype that Joe says (standing backflips in a 14 pound Emaxx) it will be something to see

[jhautz]

Talking to Bernie a CC last week and he mentioned 200A continuous and the same footprint as the Mamaba Max. The MMM will just be taller. Sounds sweet!!! All still unofficial fo course.

Summer is still the latest I have heard. But who knows really... Its gonna take what it takes till they get it right.

[BrianG]

Talking to Bernie a CC last week and he mentioned 200A continuous and the same footprint as the Mamaba Max. The MMM will just be taller...

That would be sweet. Kinda makes me wonder how many FETs they will be able to fit under the heatsink then.

EDIT: had to fix the quote...

[crazyjr]

With the quality of castles stuff, I'm willing to wait till its right

[coolhandcountry]

If it will do what we hope. I am willing to wait.

[phildogg]

man that really sounds good 200A cont. rating. esp. with what the mamba max is taking punishment wise.. would be nice to see a high voltage also.
phil

[GorillaMaxx360]

what kind of cell do you guys think it will allow

[Sylvester]

Probably up to 10S lipo , i could be wrong though.

[coolhandcountry]

Maybe they going to make it more like the 110hv. It takes 12s I think.
If that is the case. I would dance in the street.

[captain harlock]

I'll dance with you for that too, dude.:)

[sjcrss]

that would be a funny site seing chc dance...i would almost pay to see that one

[squeeforever]

I would pay to see that...

[Sylvester]

Second! :D

[crazyjr]

I'd sell popcorn

[sjcrss]

Boy, leroy...it seems like alot of people would like to see you dance...how funny.......I figured you would sell the rootbeer crazyjr....but popcorn is good too

[Serum]

I heard it's naked dancing..

[BrianG]

A guy dancing naked in the street. Hmm. That makes me wonder about those who would pay to see that... :005:

[Josh]

We all are waiting for this Monster Maxx to come! When it comes, ohh will I jump to get it! I'll jump like a little school girl even if it takes that to get it :005:

Really if it can withstand 10C Li-Pos, are you really going to be able to handle the power? Not only will you need a lot of room, but a lot of tires! :027:

I'm going to be using MaxAmps 7-Cell IB4200's to start off. Since they fried, I mean fried, the stock Titan motors, (A whole heap of smoke was coming up from under the body of my E-Maxx) I can't wait to see what they do to the Monster Maxx:028:

Josh

[coolhandcountry]

Do you mean 10s lipo? I currently in a 12s build up now. So yes. I think I can.

[GorillaMaxx360]

Holy Cow how do you controll a car on 10s lipo many people have a hard time controlling there cars on 4s lipo and they go 55 your talking like 88 90 mph mabey if this is true i think there will be new high speed records

[coolhandcountry]

I not sure what Kind of speed I am going to shot for. I will be going for power
and run time. I am real curious to see the difference. The most I ran before
was 26 cells on single. I like 6s alot to.

[Sylvester]

Leroy, your new 1/7 scale HB GTX2 should put a big smile on your face! :)

[crazyjr]

And a cute little giggle on the vid

[Sower]

From what I understand, they were having trouble getting the motor to work the way they wanted it to. If that's the case, I wish they would just put the esc on the market w/o the motor. Then put the motor out when it's good to go. Summer is a long time to wait for this setup.

[Sower]

Hey GorillaMaxx . . . did you really want to know more about the HB Lightning Stadium 10? I saw you posted a question about anyone having one and I replied. Then, there wasn't any more about it. Is there something you would like to know that I might be able to help with?

[GorillaMaxx360]

i was looking at this because i needed a car to race in the nitro stadium class at my LHS. I was looking at this because it was classified as a stadium and it was 4WD with this in mind i thought i might give me an edge on the competition because it is 4WD VS the other 2wds i will be racing with . I will be racing on road with (2) GT2's (1) jato 3.3 and (1) XXXN-T i was just wanting something that would keep up with these and would handle better than them for a better chance at a win. Please PM me or post all the information you have got on these baby's i will read it all. tell me all of the facts, tips, tricks, do's, donts, goods, and bads ect... It will help me in my decision. Right now i have decided on the jato but if there is some good info you have got that is very descriptive and helpful i might change my mind. THANKS A TON

[Sower]

Hey, no problem. Since this isn't a thread on the Lightning 10, I'll try to be quick. You're right - the 4wd system is a huge advantage. If I was a better driver, I would be able to keep up with the 1/8 scale buggies at our track. I've put on some Snake Eyes tires, and some threaded shocks from a Duratrax Evader (rear shocks). I had to limit the play of them to shorten them about 1/4". Still not ideal, but better than stock.

Basically it is very fast, and with those tires (the stock ones are horrible) it handles excellent. I get a bunch of people at the track saying things like . . . "hey, what is that?" or something to the effect of "holy $%#@ that's fast - what is it?". Very durable too. With the same driver, it will easily smoke the Jato or any of the others you've mentioned. It's really a 1/10 scale truggy - not a stadium truck. Very durable too. If you want to know more or any photos, I could either e-mail you or start a new thread. Good luck!

[GorillaMaxx360]

why is the words (and this thread) sometimes red like stadium 10 in this thread.

[BrianG]

Huh?

I know that if you are linked to a thread that was found as the result of a search, it will highlight the search phrase. Is that what you mean?

[GorillaMaxx360]

yes thanks i was wondering why the words were sometimes red Thanks sorry for the dumb question just had to know

[BrianG]

Lol, not a dumb question, I was just trying to figure out the question! :)

[GorillaMaxx360]

cool LOL
Funny though how did you figure it out

[BrianG]

At first I didn't get it, but then I remembered that when I do a search, my search terms are highlighted and just figured that must be what you meant.

[GorillaMaxx360]

OK i see how this could be i noticed it was the works i searched to were highlighted but i did not think that was why.

[jollyjumper]

bump, any one knows more now?

[crazyjr]

bump, any one knows more now?
Haven't heard anything new, figure on it coming summer was the last i heard

[Serum]

So aim for the summer of 2008, that's my advice..

[BrianG]

Lol. Yeah, summer of 2008 would be a safe bet....

[Serum]

Amen to that Brian.. too bad it takes that long to test and develop!

[BrianG]

Amen to that Brian.. too bad it takes that long to test and develop!

Actually, I was confirming what you posted; you said summer of '08. I was just being funny. ;) I figured you meant 2007, but realized '08 would be a safer bet after all. :)

[Serum]

No, there was some fun intended with that 2008.. trust me, it will be 2008... seen it a million times by now..

[BrianG]

LOL. I guess the joke is on me then. :)

I really don't understand how hard it could be. They've built enough different ESCs now that you'd think it would be a relatively simple matter, especially considering the wesbite has been saying "coming soon" for what seems like forever!

Besides, I thought I read somebody saying they were testing a suitable mating motor now and that the ESC has been done? If that's the case, they otta just slap a smooth-case Neu in the package deals and call it a day. Just get that ESC to market already!!! A winter/early spring release is the perfect time for all us electric conversion guys to build our projects, not in the middle of race season!

[Serum]

LOL, call it a day.. shut down the lights and go home.. i rest my case... I guess their software engineers/developers are struggling with some weird cogging issues with the neu Brian..

[BrianG]

lol. Cogging issues with Neu? Imagine that. Ok, then an XL in there! Would be an inexpensive system, much like the MM systems. Then they can work on the software to fix the Neu issue - unless the issue requires a hardware change. :eek:

[Serum]

Well, considering their other setups, they all use a hacker/feigao/nemesis/wanderer type of clone.. so i can't believe they include a high-end motor with the MMM...

[neweuser]

That's what I would say too, ditch the motor and hook up with xl. otherwise, drop the motor idea all toghether and come out with the esc...that's the main issue we all look for...

[BlackedOutREVO]

yeh bring on the mmm esc!!!!!! no one wants the motor LOL we all want the speedo!:D

[coolhandcountry]

Yeah the esc is the important part.

[glassdoctor]

I've been telling Joe that they need to just finsh up the esc and get it on the market. He won't say if they will do that but it is a possibility... but we still don't know when... just like the software update.

[crazyjr]

I got enough power, I need an esc for some serious stuff. I have a BK 9920 and an MGM 16024, but love the easy to program Mamba Max, Please hurry

[jnev]

I am weighting for this system to put in my buggy. Lets hope it'll still be 2007 when it comes out.

[BrianG]

Just about every day I go to this (http://www.castlecreations.com/products/mamba_monster_max.html) link to see if anything is changed. They removed any direct link to that page, so I'm hoping they upload a new page before they officially release the ESC thinking people don't know how to get there. :)

[Serum]

Knowing castle, they want to have an entire setup. the esc won't be launched before that.. Too bad they don't consider an ESC only.

[crazyjr]

If they did they could practically leapfrog the quark

[crazyjr]

I was talking to Larain60 on windows messenger a little while ago and he said he was on the phone with them today, according to him they said late spring at one point, then they said april and they were still working on the motors and plan to release as a set. I hope he jumps on shortly and verifies this. He said it will be a 200 amp esc

[glassdoctor]

I talked to them a few days ago and heard the same thing... I hate to make statements, for the same reason that CC will not talk. Because then people get upset and start bugging them when it was said to be out.

But from what I was told my impression is that it will be a couple months before there are betas ready and that they are waiting for the combo... no esc only.

I tried to tell them that there's a lot of guys that only want the esc anyway... that many of us already have suitable motors. But someone there is stubborn. :035:

Oh well... at least it's good to hear they are still working on it.. unlike Hacker who gave up like little babies. :012: :012: :012:

[starscream]

Early on, this ESC was rated for 16 cells (5S Lipo) did either of you happen to catch what its voltage rating will be?

[Serum]

for their own sake, it would be smart if it did 6-8S minimum.. i hope for a big fat 12S, but i don't see that happen..

[jollyjumper]

hey, if this comes out in the spring, should i wait to buy a bk setup and if its spring then decide if it already is produced?
will this be superior to BK warrior + wanderer XL?

[Serum]

Yes, it will be superior, but its depending on the motor they include.

and i can guarantee you it won't be out before 2008..

[Dafni]

hey, if this comes out in the spring, should i wait to buy a bk setup and if its spring then decide if it already is produced?
will this be superior to BK warrior + wanderer XL?

The warriors are already outdated, BK will bring out a new line of controllers soon.

[jollyjumper]

oh boy, i'll hold of on the bk then.
any other suggestion for purchase in 2~3 months?

[Serum]

the rc-dc roadtrip payed off!!!

:p

[crazyjr]

I remember hearing they intend to double the MM with the MMM, so I'm expecting 6s waranteed and possibly 10s capable, for those who want to push it. I also heard 200 amps being tossed around, so it will be tough to smoke

[Bomb-Proof]

sign me up for 5 of em!

[glassdoctor]

Yes... that's basicly the idea... it's two MM boards in one unit, double the amp rating/half the IR.

I hope they stick to the HV theme. Shawn used to say he wanted to run 8s... and even higher in the future. From what I heard last summer, 6s sounded like a slam dunk, and I think the goal is higher.

[Bomb-Proof]

Would 2 boards increase the voltage capacity though?

[Sylvester]

Would 2 boards increase the voltage capacity though?
Thats what im wondering.. Like the 12020 Vs 20120, they have the exact same specs, its just the price difference and one having 2 boards as apposed to 4.

[jollyjumper]

probly depend on how the 4 boards would be connected versus the 2 boards.

[Sylvester]

Well, technically speaking it should either increase amoount of amps it can handle or the voltage.

[Bomb-Proof]

So we really want 4 boards 2x voltage and 2x amp.

[Sylvester]

Pretty much, but they are gonna be more expensive, but hey, id pay for better specs!

[glassdoctor]

I'm not EE but teh voltage is determined by the individual component specs, not the # of fets... the double stacking the MM board IMO is referring to the fets... which would only double the current capacity specs.

ShawnP said that the HV components like used in their HV plane controllers cost quite a bit more than "normal" stuff. And I think the choices.... variety of components availble... is much less when you go HV.

But it would be worth paying an extra $20 or whatever it would be if it can do an honest 8s or so.

[BrianG]

I don't mind them stacking the boards IF they provide a heatsink between layers. Seems pointless to only cool the top layer. Sure, the heat will work it's way from the bottom to the top layer, but that's not a good design IMO. The Warriors are like this; they just stack the PCBs and heatsink the top layer. Quark does too, but at least they have a heat spreader...

Personally, I wouldn't mind them using TO-220 style cases (tabbed style) FETs. The case would be bigger, but mounting them on a heatsink would be MUCH easier and those FETs cool better since there is a metal tab connected to the sink rather than the plastic case.

Not only does increasing the number of parallel FETs increase the current capacity, it also decreases the total resistance, which decreases the voltage drop, therefore less heat.

[glassdoctor]

Last summer, CC said things like... double stack the MM... double the specs... and it did sound like that's exactly what they intended to do.

But they may only have used this language to convey the idea... or maybe as a prototype. I have no idea what the production units will be like.

[BrianG]

Well, it looks like they designed the HV-110 correctly by putting part of the sink between layers. Makes for a larger case to be sure, but it's done "right". I hope they borrow from that design...

[Serum]

@ bomb-proof; No, if you use two boards it wouldn't increase the voltage it can handle, it will only increase the current.

The voltage is (also) limitid by the specifications of the FETT's that are used. Some other parts need to be changed to work on a higher voltage too.

[BrianG]

Rene, I was thinking about that and the built-in BEC should take care of the voltage for the controller brains. So as long as the voltage limit for the regulator is not exceeded (and 35-40v is very common), the only components that you'd have to be careful not to overvolt are the input caps and FETs.

[cemetery gates]

So today I was working at the WRAM show and I decided to stop by the CC booth before the show opened. I asked Joe Ford about the MMM and he said we should expect it by the summer, the motors should be good for 2000-2500 watts of power, and there would possibly be 2 versions; one that is "standard" and good for 6s lipo and one that will be "HV" good for 12s lipo. Sadly they didn't have any MMM esc's that I could buy now:005:...

Off topic:
There should be a update for the MM soon that will let it run all novak, lrp and neu motors. (Joe Ford said that the MM should run the Neu's fine now, but with an occasional hiccup)

Bye:018:

[BlackedOutREVO]

Omfg!!!!!! 12 Cell Lipo In The Speedo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Want One Now!!!!!!! Give Me One!!!

[jnev]

Holy sh*t, that is awesome. I am so waiting until summer for it. Wow, that is cool. Can't wait. :004: :004:

[BlackedOutREVO]

yeh if thats tru tho, i shure hope tho, i will be all over that baby!!!!!!!!!!:D

[Serum]

That sounds like business! that HV will set a new standard for real HV setups...

Crap, this means that if you want to go extreme, you need a 12S+ monster..

[BlackedOutREVO]

HAHA man i hope it lives to be this :D

if it does then the wait was WELL worth it

[BP-Revo]

Damn...12S...thats insane...I hope this thing comes out before summer...

EDIT: 2000+ watts? Thats more than a 1950 (which is 1800w). So this means that the MMM setup is going to be faster than a 1950?

Then whats the point in spending 350 bucks on a motor when you can just spend about the same amount for the whole system (assuming the MMM is about 300-350 bucks).

[Serum]

A 1950 can throw out 6000 watts plus..

[Sylvester]

A 1950 can throw out 6000 watts plus..
Amen!

They are as powerfull as a 2230 BP.

[Sower]

Boy, I hope "by summer" means it will be out by summer. To me, summer starts in June and therefore puts the MMM out by the end of May.

I just hope that's CC's interpretation too.

[jnev]

I consider summer... mid to late June. So it'll be right before my birthday at the beginning of July!! lol Yaaaaay!! :004: :004:

Basically, if it comes out before July, I'll be happy. lol

[Sower]

[QUOTE=

Off topic:
There should be a update for the MM soon that will let it run all novak, lrp and neu motors. (Joe Ford said that the MM should run the Neu's fine now, but with an occasional hiccup)

Bye:018:[/QUOTE]

So, did he give any further info on the Neu compatability? Did he say it's limited to any motors at all? Specifically the 1515? Thanks.

[coolhandcountry]

That is pretty cool. I guess that means I may have a replacement esc if my
fails. Sweet. Just what the monster ordered. :D

[cemetery gates]

So, did he give any further info on the Neu compatability? Did he say it's limited to any motors at all? Specifically the 1515? Thanks.

He said they should run fine. I ran my 1515 with the MM tonight for like 5 min. and there was no cogging at low low speeds. Also, I talked with Joe again today and he said the MMM esc is basically done, the motor is what they are working on; should be 85%+ efficiency(they are modeling it after the NEU's)

[Sower]

Nice - thanks for the info.

I just wish they would hurry:002:

I'm working on my conversion right now and really want to get the motor and speed control sometime soon. It's just tough having the thing just sitting there, you know? Well, hopefully they'll get it dialed sooner rather than later.

[jnev]

Do you know if they have already started testing the ESC? I am just so excited to see this thing, especially with the capabilities on 6s, 12s, ect. That is just awesome. :004:

[MetalMan]

There hasn't been any testing outside of CC. Beta testing will be done before the system (or ESC) goes out to the public. You'll know when it's that time ;).

[crazyjr]

Cool, i got a 2250 with a hv mmm in mind for it. Guess its time to get the 10s TP 22c packs at the local plane shop

[BP-Revo]

Amen!

They are as powerfull as a 2230 BP.

A 1950 can throw out 6000 watts plus..

Ok...thats a bit more comforting.

Does anyone think a 1950/6 Hi-Amp on 4S will do 50mph? My G2R only weighs ~9 pounds...

Crazy - what are you planning to put the 2250 in?

[crazyjr]

Not sure yet, I got a savage with a 22 motor mount, an MGT that i want to convert to electric and i'm also thinking about a custom motor mount for my slipperential equiped Gmaxx, so thinking about it till the mmm comes out

[captain harlock]

Will the MMM motors be equipped with segmented rotors and built in heatsinks? If they are based on the Neu motors?

[Serum]

no one knows....

[glassdoctor]

There are no MMM controllers right now... betas are expected within a couple months last I heard. So don't expect anything too soon.

IF everything goes perfect... I would say June is a possibility. That's just my guess.

I'm expecting a beta unit but we'll see... I have no guarantees with Shawn no longer there.

[MetalMan]

GD, have you received any emails within the past month or two from Lee? He's the beta guy as far as I know (been getting emails from him regarding beta testing). You may want to contact him about getting on "the list" since you should be on it.

[BlackedOutREVO]

we all need to be on it =P

jw, the mmm will be taking more cells then a quark rite? 2 times as many if i remember rite... and that will be sick lookin, a green neu lol that will be soo cool if thats how it looks

[crazyjr]

Thats the HV one, the standard MMM will do 6s, which will make the quark look like junk for specs, because it still will not do 6s despite the 6s rating

[BlackedOutREVO]

yeh, do u guys really think it will do 12 cell lipos???? thats waaay higher then most of the car speedos if not all, i havent seen a car/truck speedo thats capable of a 12 cell

[jnev]

I think I remember Cool Hand Country trying to run 10s if I remember correctly. But I haven't seen a anyone try 12s before.

[Sylvester]

Coolhand acutally ran 12s limn in his GTX2..

[jnev]

Oh, maybe he did use 12s. Do you remember how that went for him? Any problems running such high voltage?

[BP-Revo]

Well, electronic wise, it went ok, but the spur gears didn't appreciate the power. LOL I think he stripped a bunch just from giving too much throttle at too low of a speed. Imagine the power of 12S...you could have a 100+mph G2R (Hello touring car killer?). I'd love to see a setup G2R blazing past touring cars on the onroad track.

[crazyjr]

I have seen posts from Joe describing standing backflips with a 12 pound Gmaxx, I would guess thats the hv model

[BP-Revo]

Nah, you don't need crazy high voltage to do that. Standing backflips can be done on as little as 5S or even 4S with the right motor and gearing.

[captain harlock]

The schulze continent sized controller( 160.40) can handle over 12s easily.
It's sooooooo damn huge, though.

[BlackedOutREVO]

and the schulze also costs a TON of money lol

[glassdoctor]

15 days and counting... :027:

hee hee for what? I hope you are not expecting a MMM on the 15th.... although I would love to be wrong, it's going to be a couple months at the earliest.

[BP-Revo]

I think he has this mixed up with the re-opening of the GorillaMaxx site.

[captain harlock]

I'm planning to get a MGM16024 controller very soon, but would you think it's better to wait for the Monster Max, although it's pretty early?

[jnev]

Yep, you are right. I think I am starting to go blind, lol. I was talking about the Gorillamaxx website.

[BlackedOutREVO]

Lol Oooops:d

[coolhandcountry]

I ran the 12 limn just like lipo on 36120 bk micro.

[Joe Ford]

I have seen posts from Joe describing standing backflips with a 12 pound Gmaxx, I would guess thats the hv model

Not HV perse...that was only with 5/6s lipos. :) HV to Castle is 7s lipo plus. The Monster Max motors are XL motors with lower kv's (these have not been finalized but are going to be around 2000kv) ...if the packs can't provide the current the motor is trying to draw in the system the performance suffers. No estimated release date on them yet...when you're inventing something from scratch you NEVER know what's going to come up and have to deal with issues as you go along. :)

[Serum]

Thanks Joe.

Can you tell us if they will use segmented magnets or not?

[BlackedOutREVO]

Not HV perse...that was only with 5/6s lipos. :) HV to Castle is 7s lipo plus. The Monster Max motors are XL motors with lower kv's (these have not been finalized but are going to be around 2000kv) ...if the packs can't provide the current the motor is trying to draw in the system the performance suffers. No estimated release date on them yet...when you're inventing something from scratch you NEVER know what's going to come up and have to deal with issues as you go along. :)


what speeds are we going to see on like a 4 cell lipo? or 14, 15 cells?

[Joe Ford]

Nothing has been finalized yet so I don't want to jump the gun...more info to come when available. :)

[BlackedOutREVO]

awww man =(

lol.... when do u honestly think it will be ready?

[Serum]

Glad to hear CC got wise on the lower KV's on MT's! for a moment i was worried a 5000kv motor would be included.. :p

[AAngel]

Oh man, that would be the ticket. A 2000kv motor the size of an XL! I've been considering a Neu 1515, but didn't want to go as high as 2200kv and the next step down was way under 2000kv. This fits perfectly for me.

Now...WHEN?

[jnev]

Yep, "when" is the question. I am eagerly waiting for it to come out, to run in my buggy. :027:

[captain harlock]

Still, it's only a matter of "yes" or "no".........Will it have segmented rotors?

[crazyjr]

Not HV perse...that was only with 5/6s lipos. :) HV to Castle is 7s lipo plus. The Monster Max motors are XL motors with lower kv's (these have not been finalized but are going to be around 2000kv) ...if the packs can't provide the current the motor is trying to draw in the system the performance suffers. No estimated release date on them yet...when you're inventing something from scratch you NEVER know what's going to come up and have to deal with issues as you go along. :)
Thank you Joe, for telling us what did it.
BP, thats a wild trick, I have a 7XL and 9XL (both on MM's and 5S) and neither could do that. Most i could get was flat on top

[gixxer]

crayjr, just wondering does your mm give you any issue with the 5s when the battery is fully charged? reason I ask is mine cuts out when I give it throttle if the pack is fully charged. If I just hold the car in the air and give it full throttle for 20-30sec then everything seems to work fine. As if the 21volts is to much but if it drops a few 1/10th's everything is fine.

[BP-Revo]

My HV-Maxx 4400 (orignal HV system) got me rotated so that it would hit the front bumper (but not make it over). If my HV could get me nearly fully flipped...I figure any BL system can.

It also depends on the truck. I'd assume a G-Maxx would be ALOT harder to do than a stock E-Maxx chassis (which is what I was running).

[crazyjr]

crayjr, just wondering does your mm give you any issue with the 5s when the battery is fully charged? reason I ask is mine cuts out when I give it throttle if the pack is fully charged. If I just hold the car in the air and give it full throttle for 20-30sec then everything seems to work fine. As if the 21volts is to much but if it drops a few 1/10th's everything is fine.
I have not seen anything but according to my nomadio it shows 20.89 on a fresh pack
BP you must run a really stiff setup because my current combo's are stronger than my 4400 and they can't do it

[gixxer]

thats good news. mine works fine as soon as the voltage drops down a few tenths. I already ordered a 4s 5000mah pack so that should fix the problem but then my car will be slow. So I will either have to put the 7xl back in or just not peak the battery all the way.

[crazyjr]

I think i'll skip the MMM. I just lost 2 out of 5 mamba maxes to the 2.23 castle link ( one got smashed today) the other is going to be returned to castle and either fixed or repaired, but till the link is fixed i
ll skip the stress of wondering if the esc will be junk if i update it

[lxmuff]

What exactly are you talking about?

I think i'll skip the MMM. I just lost 2 out of 5 mamba maxes to the 2.23 castle link ( one got smashed today) the other is going to be returned to castle and either fixed or repaired, but till the link is fixed i
ll skip the stress of wondering if the esc will be junk if i update it

[lxmuff]

Nevermind. I read your other post.

[crazyjr]

The smashing of the esc was my fault, 2 esc's inoperable in three days was too much and i blew my stack (definately not the smartest thing i ever did)

[BP-Revo]

BP you must run a really stiff setup because my current combo's are stronger than my 4400 and they can't do it

This was on a stock chassis E-Maxx with PowerStroke shocks and a bunch of other mods, but dimension wise it was a stock chassis.

[Serum]

I understand your frustration.. Shoot castle an email, i think they will be kind enough to help you out..

2 out of 5 controllers down.. That's one unstable as heck upgrade..

[captain harlock]

He's got 5 Mamba Maxes?!

Does this mean you are gonna get like 10 Monster Max by the time it comes out?

Joe will surely be happy about that..:)

[sleebus.jones]

Hm. I've upgraded my MM several times, and likeways my Mamba and have never bricked an ESC. I've also upgraded other people's Mambas (talking 1/18th scale here) and other MM and haven't had a problem.

Maybe the castle link isn't the root cause?

Sleeb

[crazyjr]

This was on a stock chassis E-Maxx with PowerStroke shocks and a bunch of other mods, but dimension wise it was a stock chassis.
That makes sense, high center of gravity and short wheelbase, my first brushless maxx was an extended Gmaxx

[crazyjr]

I understand your frustration.. Shoot castle an email, i think they will be kind enough to help you out..

2 out of 5 controllers down.. That's one unstable as heck upgrade..
I agree, I have two emails with them currently, one about the first incident(the one in my t4 that acts like its been wiped, castle link will not recognize it) and another telling them I'm moving on from castle, not sure what i'll try next.

To all who are thinking of getting the mamba max, I'm not telling you to not get one, just telling my experience. The mamba's worked perfectly and never thermaled (one for almost a year) before the 2.23 update. I still believe that the mamba is the best esc/escmotor combo i have ever seen.

Here's an irony i just realized, the three esc/combo's i got from Mike are fine, even with the update, The ones i got outside of Mike ( one from castle when they came out, one from starluck, scale plane thing, and he was selling mambacombo"s for 175) both failed. Now is that funny or what. Buy from Mike, its worth it

[crazyjr]

He's got 5 Mamba Maxes?!

Does this mean you are gonna get like 10 Monster Max by the time it comes out?

Joe will surely be happy about that..:)
I might skip the MMM, if the castle link 2.23 is still the current update

[crazyjr]

Hm. I've upgraded my MM several times, and likeways my Mamba and have never bricked an ESC. I've also upgraded other people's Mambas (talking 1/18th scale here) and other MM and haven't had a problem.

Maybe the castle link isn't the root cause?

Sleeb
According to what i read on other forums, its only a max issue. the mamba 25 and all other esc's don't seem to have the issue with 2.23. I wish i could say it was a driver issue like Castle says, but 2 out of 5 in my stable, thats weird

[squeeforever]

Plus the same thing happend to me right before it happend to you, so I think its the Castle Link...Personally, I think thats the problem...

[crazyjr]

I can't see the code, and i wouldn't know what i'm looking at (I'm a computer idiot) but i think there is something wrong, one of them (my mamba maxxes) was wiped while connected and no magnets around.

[captain harlock]

Is it really that important to program it via computer?

Honestly, guys, we want to run our vehicles for pleasure. We're not designing and prototyping a missle.( look who's talking..:010: ).

[BrianG]

I hear you there. I might try a couple setups just to see what works good, but then I leave it like that. I've seen some people actually bring laptops to a race to fine tune things (glassdoctor ;)). Maybe some people are that good that they can tell the difference after making minute changes, I dunno.

[squeeforever]

To be honest, All I did was turn down the brakes, put the timing kinda low, made it to where the throttle wouldn't be so sensitive, and put it in forward only...

[crazyjr]

all i ever did was update the link and brought the esc up so i could do the cutoffs without problems, matter of fact the first one to stop working i started to change the cut off to 6 cell NIMH (5.9v) so i could see the difference. and that esc never gave me trouble till i updated it, not a skip, stutter or thermal, I have had it for almost a year and now its dead, the computer will not recognize it

[glassdoctor]

(getting out from under the bus, lol...)

yeah actually there are certain settings that anyone can feel if you are racing... like drag brake and punch etc... it's very cool to be able to see all the setting at a glance, and then change something with two clicks and see if it helped...

But I have to say I would prefer to leave the laptop at home or at least in the car. And once you have got things dialed in and working ok... you will rarely need to mess with the settings anyway.

But it's nice to mess with stuff until you get it how you like.

As for this software update disaster.. I'm not touching the new versions for now... there is no need to update the software anyway. Nothing critical is in it for the MM. I'm sure there will be a future update that actually has goodies for the MM.... like the neu/novak profiles, etc. Then I will make the change...

[crazyjr]

I liked to keep things up to date in case they changed something an update or two that would render the esc obsolete, due to too much change in the link to update. Honestly its been almost a year and i still haven't found setting i like, I know its in the combination, I just haven't found one i'm comfortable with

[Mr.lst]

I called castle and had a guy help me update my mamba max software and have not had any problems

[Serum]

There can't go much wrong with updating, but for some reasone more people seem to loose controllers from time to time..

[crazyjr]

As I said before, I don't know if its the program or not, but my experience tells me a certian amount of esc's will be considered a failure using the 2.23 link. One could have been a possible failure not related to the link software (ran perfectly once then lost neutral, but could still hook up to the computer), the other was a direct result of the program (while hooked up it went from one second where the software recognized but couldn't update , to not even recognizing the esc altogether) it was never unhooked or anything, it was like something wiped the processor

Like i said I don't want people to think i'm cutting down or flamming the Mamba Max, I still believe it is the best esc/combo on the market, I just think the current is not right and possibly causing some esc's to fail. Funny thing is it doesn't seem to matter the age, the ones that quit were the oldest and newest (ironicly also the only ones i didn't get from Mike)

[captain harlock]

Then, why don't you contact them( Joe)? they might help you out.

[My_stampede]

My esc fried and took the motor with it or vice versa.. i called castle and they handled it perfectly. i installed my new mamba in the truck and went off about 10minutes into my first run it thermaled.. motor temps were 139 battery at 120 and esc at 195 by the time i had body off and temp gun ready. this is stampede. its the 7700 motor but i dont understand the issues. i even have a window cut out like a nitro car. wether the gearing is 13/90 or 17/90 the esc temps are the same. all the gearing does is seem to change motor temp. im at low start power lowest timing and no drag brake with 40% punch control. im using 7 cell ib4200wc's.

With no body on it the temps are normal

The ESC is mounted on the rear shock tower.

[glassdoctor]

You might get by with a fan on the esc... but it would be good to see if a setup change could help too.

wether the gearing is 13/90 or 17/90 the esc temps are the same
How much does the speed and power change? If the speeds seem similar then I would say gear down even more and see what happens.

Are you running in grass at all?

[skellyo]

My esc fried and took the motor with it or vice versa.. i called castle and they handled it perfectly. i installed my new mamba in the truck and went off about 10minutes into my first run it thermaled.. motor temps were 139 battery at 120 and esc at 195 by the time i had body off and temp gun ready. this is stampede. its the 7700 motor but i dont understand the issues. i even have a window cut out like a nitro car. wether the gearing is 13/90 or 17/90 the esc temps are the same. all the gearing does is seem to change motor temp. im at low start power lowest timing and no drag brake with 40% punch control. im using 7 cell ib4200wc's.

With no body on it the temps are normal

The ESC is mounted on the rear shock tower.

The big issue is that the 7700 motor was not designed for use in a truck like the Stampede. The ESC temp being that much higher than the motor means you are severely overgeared. You probably won't be able to get it geared properly for that vehicle unless you drop the tire size way down. I'd really suggest looking into a different motor to get the temps down. Also, just because you go with a lower kv motor, doesn't mean you can't go fast. There are at least 2 of us on the forum with 10th scale trucks running motors under 5000kv that are doing 45+ mph on 2S lipos.

[AAngel]

Yeah, the 7700 really doesn't like to be geared. It is much more sensitive to gearing than the lower kv motors. Try a smaller pinion. If the 13T is still giving you high temps, then go to a 10T and try that. You might also want to see if you can get a bigger spur, although a 90T spur sounds pretty big already. Then go to tires, smaller diameter that is. If you can't come to a happy medium, then you'll have no choice but to go to a lower kv motor. Personally, I like the 4600. You can really "tune" performance with the battery choice on that motor. Everything from very mild on 6 nimh cells to uber wild and crazy fast on 4S lipo.

[crazyjr]

May even need to go to the 94 tooth spur

[jnev]

Well, I just came back from RCX, and it was a ton of fun. There was a big track inside, with jumping, racing, etc. While I was there I caught up with one of the Castle Creations Employes, and asked him about the Mamba Monster Max.

He said that the ESC is finished and now they just have to finish the motor, and then test everything. He said the esc will about about the same size as the Mamba Max esc, and will be rated for 5s lipo. However, he didn't mention anything about an HV model to allow more voltage, although it may still happen. He also said that it should be out in 3 - 4 months now or late Summer instead of early Summer, like they said before. :019:

Unfortunately, stupid me forgot to ask about how much it will cost. I am pretty sure MetalMan also went, so he may be able to give a little more info.

[crazyjr]

Thanks for the info. Despite my rants earlier, I'll probably get in line for this one as well. If 2.23 takes it out i can always send it in

[BrianG]

Oh, for crying out loud! We have enough ESC's capable of 5s already. Even the MM can do it (sort of). We need 8s+ with the current handling to go along with it.

[crazyjr]

Oh, for crying out loud! We have enough ESC's capable of 5s already. Even the MM can do it (sort of). We need 8s+ with the current handling to go along with it.
I agree, but if they say 5s it should handle 7 or 8s lipo's for sure, Who knows, we might finally get a bec that can handle 5s without a ubec. 5s is enough for me, I'd rather have a bec in the esc that can handle the load. I also want a Mamba that can handle 4+pole motors over 6+s

[BP-Revo]

I talked to Joe and the other Castle engineer/developer at RCX today and they said the MMM should be out in ~3 months. They said the ESC is just about done, but they are working on the motor (but I think this has already been said).

However, what I do not beleive has been said is that it will have an integrated switching BEC, like the one seen here (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=CSECCBEC), that can handle 7 amps continuous and 10 amps peak (like anyone really needs that) and will have an adjustable voltage output. Downside is that he said it will be rated only for 5S (would have liked to see 6S if you ask me), but that they will do an HV one later on that will handle more (probably 12S).

[MetalMan]

I also spoke with Richard, and engineer from Castle. He said the biggest thing when it comes to the voltage rating of the ESC is braking. Using the motor brakes puts a huge stress on the ESC, and they have had to rate the MMM to 5s Lipo because of it. However, he did say that it should do 6s with the use of mechanical brakes :).

As for a HV car ESC, Richard said that it's a ways off. I think he mentioned that they would pretty much have to make a new ESC, kind of like the MMM vs. the MM.

Castle will be coming out with the switching BEC, and it will handle 6s Lipo. A higher voltage version should also come out at some point.

We also spoke with Joe Ford for a while. He's a cool guy! At the show he was the one driving the RC Escalade (power wheels). It had a 95amp-hour lead acid battery in it and plastic tires. Apparently they were killing gears with rubber tires, so the slip from the plastic tires helps the drivetrain.

Unfortunately I didn't think to ask about the approximate MSRP/MAP for any of these items.

[BP-Revo]

Damn...thats a good point...we should have asked...

[crazyjr]

I talked to Joe and the other Castle engineer/developer at RCX today and they said the MMM should be out in ~3 months. They said the ESC is just about done, but they are working on the motor (but I think this has already been said).

However, what I do not beleive has been said is that it will have an integrated switching BEC, like the one seen here (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=CSECCBEC), that can handle 7 amps continuous and 10 amps peak (like anyone really needs that) and will have an adjustable voltage output. Downside is that he said it will be rated only for 5S (would have liked to see 6S if you ask me), but that they will do an HV one later on that will handle more (probably 12S).
Is the switching bec going to be integrated or sold with it? if its integrated I'll get one just to do away with UBEC's, no problems with them just one less thing to have to find a place for

[gixxer]

this is all great news. now hopefully they will be able to stick to the 3 months. now the only question is do I pick up a new neu motor now or wait and see what they have coming out with the esc? I am currently looking at the neu 2.5d 1515 to do up a 8ight-t.

[captain harlock]

Sort of disappointing, if you ask me.
I've been waiting for that thing just because of the HV feature, but to say that making such a one after the Mamba Monster Max is like designing a MMM after the Mamba Max is absolutely unacceptable. Tekin's R1 Pro can handle 5s and it's smaller than the Mamba Max.
And we have to use mechanical brakes to run 6s?!
Believe me, this is no good news, for me at least.

[Electric Dave]

For me, 5s is plenty. I just hope it comes out soon. It would be nice to have a Castle in my E-CRT rather than the unreliable ESC I've got now. I know they want to release a system but if the ESC is done, I hope they consider shipping it without the companion motor. They can always release a system later.

[BP-Revo]

Crazy, refer to the word right in front of the bold "switcinng" in my post.

5S is plenty for me as well. I'm happy to say the least. I'm probably going to run 4S anyway, but I want the MMM for the extra current capability for the 1950/6 Hi-Amp.

[jhautz]

If its sub $200, can run 5s reliably, and can run 2 or 4 pole motors and doesnt need any secondary heat sinks or fans its a winner in my book.

It will be great for everyday running.

I will wait for the HV version. But in reality the HV is really going to be for a very select crowd. The general basher/racer will not need more than 5s. The folks around here are just a little crazy with the power. (crazy in a good way :p ) Definately not the norm anyway.

[crazyjr]

Crazy, refer to the word right in front of the bold "switcinng" in my post.

5S is plenty for me as well. I'm happy to say the least. I'm probably going to run 4S anyway, but I want the MMM for the extra current capability for the 1950/6 Hi-Amp.
Thanks and sorry, I have a bad habit of speed reading posts

[captain harlock]

Well, I might just keep waiting until the HV comes out.

[BrianG]

I still think they should've at least made it 6s capable. Many people use layouts that have a battery pack on both sides (emaxx, buggies, truggies, etc) and it's nice to keep the weight balanced. Granted, the MM will probably be able to go to 6s, but won't be advertised as such. There must be a big price difference between low voltage FETs and higher ones since there are few high V ESCs and the ones that do exist are pricey.

[GorillaMaxx360]

i am mainly waiting on the mmm motor to use with my 125b. hope it is out by mid summmer

[crazyjr]

I still think they should've at least made it 6s capable. Many people use layouts that have a battery pack on both sides (emaxx, buggies, truggies, etc) and it's nice to keep the weight balanced. Granted, the MM will probably be able to go to 6s, but won't be advertised as such. There must be a big price difference between low voltage FETs and higher ones since there are few high V ESCs and the ones that do exist are pricey.
Metal said it was because of braking causing high spikes, I think the price for high enough fets and caps might have killed the budget aspect of the ideas the mamba packages were founded on. I hope the HV has all the good points on the mamba series, but the HV that everyone wants. The more i see on the MMM the more i like it, I hope the link gets better though

[neweuser]

Metal said it was because of braking causing high spikes, I think the price for high enough fets and caps might have killed the budget aspect of the ideas the mamba packages were founded on. I hope the HV has all the good points on the mamba series, but the HV that everyone wants. The more i see on the MMM the more i like it, I hope the link gets better though
I personally have never used the CC link, but then again, i only have the mm 25....
Other than that, with all the issues i have heard about the link I would hope they cure this problem.....MMM should be great, i just fear that it will take longer than anticipated....

[crazyjr]

I personally have never used the CC link, but then again, i only have the mm 25....
Other than that, with all the issues i have heard about the link I would hope they cure this problem.....MMM should be great, i just fear that it will take longer than anticipated....
Its not the mamba 25 or any other esc in castles lineup, all the forum threads and problems i have seen are with the mamba max, which strangely is the only one with a usb jack and not plugged into the reciever wire

I would believe the problem with the driver in the esc if the esc never worked on the computer, the newest one did just that, but run once before losing neutral, but the oldest one had been programmed several times in the n=early year i had it till V2.23

As I have said before to all new people, I love the mamba max system, I'm just concerned about the programon the computer

[jnev]

Looks like everyone that went forgot to ask the price, lol. I plan on only running 4s, but I just glad that I won't have to find room for UBEC, and hopefully no heatsinks or fans. Lets now hope that it actually comes out in 3 months.

[Patrick]

It's a bit dissapointing if it's only rated for 5s, I was hoping for a solid 6s controller, there's already enough around that can do 5s...but if it works well without getting hot then it's probably good enough for me...unlike Quark.

[BP-Revo]

The MM does 5S already lmao. I wish they would have made it 8S compatable. That would have been reasonable.

[crazyjr]

but this one is warranteed for 5s, so it should handle 6+, under the right conditions

[captain harlock]

You need to use mechanical brakes to make it fully compatible with 6s. It's a bit cumbersome, but hopefully they'll sympathise with the HV guys and bring us a HV version.

[coolhandcountry]

I wish some one would make a good 12s lipo esc. I don't think my 36120 is
going to make it. It sure don't act right. nice built in lvc to. I would buy it.

[BP-Revo]

but this one is warranteed for 5s, so it should handle 6+, under the right conditions

One would think os, but once you make it to the 5S and 6S levels, voltage really skyrockets under breaking, and thats when Fets begin to blow. That is why it handles more with Mechanical Brakes. I think it will handle 8S with Mech brakes probably...

[captain harlock]

Leroy,
Why don't you try out the super big nasty 160.40 schulze controller?

It's pricy, but you surely can throw anything at it.

I'm quite happy now with my Schulze. After programming it right, it's working quite smooth.

If the 160.40 was a bit smaller, I would've certainly bought it.

Tooooooooo huge, though.

[coolhandcountry]

Well the price is one reason. The size is another. I don't need a 160 amps.
40 volts x 160amps = 6400 watts
I can see some parts fail long before then.

[wallot]

Was asking CC about some things around mamba 25 and asked also about MMM

Reply:

"The Monster Max is coming along nicely...we're trying to get the motors where we'd like them at the moment. The ESC is pretty much done.
"

Release the ESC who needs the motor :)