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Any of you upset over your healthcare law? - 03.24.2010, 06:52 PM

I am curious what you guys are thinking about your grand new $1,000,000,000,000 Health-care reform Law that is going to cost you roughly $15,000 a year per person. With 14 States filing suits to challenge it, I am surprised the whole nation is not up in arms... maybe soon?


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03.24.2010, 07:06 PM

I don't know what to think...having a unfified health care system is a great idea. I have not read up on it too much, but unless the gov't regulates the health care providers to keep the costs in check..this system will not work IMO. For example, my health care covers 75% of my cost, yet my cost /week is still $110- w/ 7-10% increases coming for at least 3 more years. Where does it end! This is just one example. If the gov't cracked down on these companies it would be easier to offer lower cost plans to everyone and not just the high priced ones offered now. just my 2 cents


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03.24.2010, 07:13 PM

It's a joke, just like our president and our congress. A ploy to gain more power for government under the guise of "helping us".

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The problem with health care is not the providers, but the government and insurance companies. When the government only will pay via medicare 1/3 of what is billed, provider must then charge 3 times the rate to get what they require. When on the other side government requires that everyone be billed equally, well their you have it.

When frivolous lawsuits abound to such a degree that most doctors pay more in malpractice insurance than what they take home, well there you have it.

When the government interferes and creates boundaries in which insurance companies can provide, costs rise. Not alloying companies to compete across state lines and the like raises costs and our prices.

The bill does not fix the biggest issues in health care.

1. Preexisting conditions
2. Tort Reform
3. Allowing freer competition between providers and insurers

Government entering into business of any sort other than governing is a huge conflict of interest at best. If they are so great at running the insurance industry why does medicare and medicaid suck? Why is our military health care system so poor? Why do congress and the president get special plans not available to any of us?


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03.24.2010, 07:31 PM

Hows about 16,000 armed IRS agents to "look after us" http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/22/ir...alth-care-laws

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03.24.2010, 07:36 PM

Agreed ^^^

BTW, answer me this, why do we have a system that has come to absolutely rely on insurance to cover costs? There should be enough doctors and care providers to have prices at the lowest level possible so that we can afford health care out of pocket. But we have such a huge deficit in personnel/infrastructure in the sector that this is not possible.

In short, I believe that our government has gone about fixing this the wrong way. Won't happen any time soon either.


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03.24.2010, 07:37 PM

The whole thing is a huge mess, and it's about government control over us... nothing more. Healthcare was simply the means by which they can accomplish it. Expect more socialist BS if these idiots are not stopped.

Health and Insurance needed fixed... this was not how to get it done. It's not possible for it to work, and it will be a bigger disaster than the bankrupt medicare system.

That moron nancy pelosi is sooooo stupid, it's amazing that anyone can listen to her with a straight face. I don't get it... she's dumber than a 2x4 and obama makes GW look like Einstein


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03.24.2010, 08:03 PM

Government is not the solution,it is the problem!!!!
   
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03.24.2010, 08:12 PM

Why can't we call it the proper name, Government run Health Insurance. Which we all know how anything government runs tends to go extremely well!

The whole thing is a sham and just one more way of the government taking control. Great...

Since when has health insurance coverage been a right? Health insurance is a privilege! It's a reward for those that work hard and make better lives for themselves to cover them in times of need. Health insurance is not a privilege for those that don't work or better themselves.
Some want to compare this to state mandating car insurance policies for all drivers. How is this the same? Car insurance was mandated to protect other drivers, not yourself. It's there to provide payment when you screw up and don't have the funds to pay upfront. And by the way, driving is not a right either. Its a privilege. There are other means of transportation: walking, biking, public means...

Let's review countries with socialized medicine and "healthcare" and see how they've turned out. Wow, don't you know people from these socialized societies come to the USA for our health care system. I wonder why...

I want to know which Democrats will be getting kick backs from these insurance companies that will become government run...

I would also like to point out the fact that this bill is pushing a product and forcing the American public to buy a product. This in itself is unconstitutional and is the basis of the lawsuits from the state.

And what the hell is with Obama having that black kid there while signing the bill? Just because his mother was poor and died of natural causes because she didn't have the money for health insurance to pay for medicine?

The whole problem with health care began when all the HMO, PPO, HNO yada yada came to be. People used to have insurance that paid 80% and we picked up the remaining 20%. However, when all these new policies came to be with the copays, thats when the health care industries started jacking everything around. A shot or medicine that used to cost $20 became $120 because the individual never sees the actual bills anymore until it's submitted to the health insurance company. So they started to get away with it more and more and look at where we were yesterday.
All we need to do fix the pricing market and viola! problem solved.


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03.24.2010, 08:42 PM

Did any of you hear the ringer from Dingell? Talking about the time necessary:

Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) said in an interview March 22 that “…it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people.”

Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/node/8296#ixzz0j91MIvCp

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03.24.2010, 09:32 PM

There already is a Govt run system-Medicare. Fix that instead of making another that is doomed to fail.... Ask anyone you know who is elderly/disabled they'll tell you what has happened to that in the last few years.
   
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03.24.2010, 09:40 PM

the whole thing makes me sick, it is taxation without representation, the people spoke and the majority don't want this but they did it anyway.

i think out lawmakers could learn a thing or two if the studied england in the last few years leading up to 1886


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Too much power - 03.24.2010, 09:53 PM

We the people have allowed our Gov to gain too much power resulting in exactly this. Healthcare is a business trying to make money plain and simple. The root of the problem in all of this is the greedy doctors, and greedy insurance companies who are both in bed with our Gov. The insurance business started out as a way for people to put money into a pot, which would pay for large healthcare issues that the average person just could not pay for themselves out of pocket.

Over time the people running the insurance companies realized that they could become filthy rich if they just skimmed off the top of the premiums and stashed it away for their own retirement. Then things really began to get interesting, because those CEO's got greedy and wanted more, & more, & more driving insurance costs higher and higher. On top of that you have the doctors who also wanted to get rich, plus fighting off these morons suing them for the stupidest problems, which our legal system allowed. Too many of these professionals are looking for any way they can to steal our hard earned $$$$$ in ways to make them millionaires.

The only way to fix this problem is to regulate the insurance companies in some way to limit how much they profit from our illnesses. Put a stop to the frivalous law sutes, and create a doctors pay scale that all of them have to abide by. None of these professions were setup to make anyone rich, and from a personal view they are all a sort of public servant who are supposed to be here to help all of us stay healthy, not become millionaires. Greedy, greedy, greedy. They should all be ashamed of themselves.

We all know that when our Gov gets involved in anything it never ever drives the costs down, it only drives them higher because the private business entity figures ways to rip off the Gov so they can get rich off the federal Gov and not feel bad about doing so. Example $1000 hammers, $600 bed pans, $3000 toilet seats. I truly believe that Obama wants to find a solution, but he is being lead around by the nose by all of the already crooked politicians in our Gov system.


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03.24.2010, 10:04 PM

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Agreed ^^^

BTW, answer me this, why do we have a system that has come to absolutely rely on insurance to cover costs? There should be enough doctors and care providers to have prices at the lowest level possible so that we can afford health care out of pocket. But we have such a huge deficit in personnel/infrastructure in the sector that this is not possible.

In short, I believe that our government has gone about fixing this the wrong way. Won't happen any time soon either.
Good points. It also begs the question why do I have to pay for others healthcare? How is this such an intrinsic value? Should I have to also pay for other people's food and shelter too? Aren't these much more intrinsic than health care?

The analogy to me is like a car with transmission problems being fixed with 22's and a new paint job, then telling the owner it's not really his and will be given to others to use, but he will have to pay for these additions while the new users pay nothing.


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Good points. It also begs the question why do I have to pay for others healthcare? How is this such an intrinsic value? Should I have to also pay for other people's food and shelter too? Aren't these much more intrinsic than health care?


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The analogy to me is like a car with transmission problems being fixed with 22's and a new paint job, then telling the owner it's not really his and will be given to others to use, but he will have to pay for these additions while the new users pay nothing.
That about sums it up. I also consider that maybe they go out of their way to some extent, to be as controversial as possible to buy themselves time.

The "compliance at gunpoint" is as Soviet as it gets, many of us have seen this coming for many years. So maybe the natural progression of any 'great' superpower is to be swallowed whole by it's own government. I seem to vaguely recall other societies this may have happened to ??
   
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